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https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/2021-f ... ne-details
Petrol donk v6 & v6 diesel,
Hoping Mazda will bring out a straight 6 diesel.
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That v6 diesel began production in 2004. Not sure if it will see 2021 in a Ranger. It appears to have been deleted from many other vehicles. cheers, Butch.
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butch. wrote:That v6 diesel began production in 2004.
1994
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No talk of a hybrid which is surprising.
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Rosspat wrote:
butch. wrote:That v6 diesel began production in 2004.
1994
I miss counted :oops: should have stayed at school a bit longer ;)
If the ranger gets a V6 then I'll move to a Ram with the inline 6 :D
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Rosspat wrote:
butch. wrote:That v6 diesel began production in 2004.
1994
Which Ford 3.0 V6 diesel was available in 1994?
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butch. wrote:
Rosspat wrote:
butch. wrote:That v6 diesel began production in 2004.
1994
I miss counted :oops: should have stayed at school a bit longer ;)
If the ranger gets a V6 then I'll move to a Ram with the inline 6 :D
With all due respect, comparing a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel with the Ranger is a bit a stretch.....
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I would be interested in the V6 diesel. I like the sound of the petrol twin turbo, but it is unlikely to be available in Aus, unlikely for me to afford it if it does and unlikely for me to be able to pay the fuel use.
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With all due respect, comparing a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel with the Ranger is a bit a stretch.....

Its about 900mm ;) :p
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Torque666 wrote:With all due respect, comparing a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel with the Ranger is a bit a stretch.....

Its about 900mm ;) :p
Ahh, touche.... :-)
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Torque666 wrote:With all due respect, comparing a Ram 2500 with a Cummins diesel with the Ranger is a bit a stretch.....

Its about 900mm ;) :p
Which dimension were you quoting ? Height or width :D 8-)
I just hate V6 engine design. Just horrible.
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butch. wrote:
Rosspat wrote:
butch. wrote:That v6 diesel began production in 2004.
1994
If the ranger gets a V6 then I'll move to a Ram with the inline 6 :D
You like living in the past I guess
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You like living in the past I guess[/quote]
Why? 2021 isn't here yet so I can't live there. Gotta live now 8-)
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Rosspat wrote:You like living in the past I guess
butch. wrote:Why? 2021 isn't here yet so I can't live there.
Ha Ha - Butch that's gold :lol:
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With the Ford world wide trend to (small displacement and big boost) eco type engines , I would not be surprised if 1.8 and 2.0 litre
Diesel here and 2.5 or even 2.2 petrol in Europe , is the engine offerings we will be given for the Ranger that we will be given access to .
It just seems that Ford are moving toward the ' we got good fuel efficiency ' side of the advertising movement .
I get the impression from the way they say " if you just look at the small engine , then you are missing the point " or some such , in relation to the 2 litre diesel currently offered as the premium engine; That they think they can get around the problem VW had with their
little motor/lotsa gears thing .
If that turns out to be the case then , I will not be getting any more Rangers . I would love to have the 3 litre 600nm V6 in my next Ranger .
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Wouldn't want the V6. A straight 6 would be awesome though (although highly unlikely unfortunately!

With regard to Ford downsizing everything, that is not quite true. The new Focus ST has a bigger engine than the one it replaced. More power and torque and better fuel economy.

At the end of the day the Marketing team is in charge of what ultimately hits the streets. If economy and emissions is king, then the drive will be for economy and emissions. If the perception that cubic inches is important, then that will be a focus.

Just look at what VW did - they researched the market and came to the conclusion they needed a larger, more powerful engine so launched it with great success. They also realised that they needed a two speed transfer case and manual transmission in Australia so guess what is being released later this year...

Would not at all be surprised to see a large(-ish) engine remain in the Ranger for at least the next model.
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After living with a V6 diesel for about 18 months I would not like to go back to a 4 cyl .

On a long run empty we're getting under 8L / 100km and fully loaded towing the camper 14.3 with power to spare so can't see why some would only
go for a straight 6 . :?
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From a performance standpoint there is not ( these days ) a lot of difference between the V and inline configurations .
There is , however , a large difference when fuel economy and durability is the main criteria ; The inline engine is a better balanced
( some would say , the only perfectly balanced ) layout , there is also the slight matter of torque delivery where , the V arrangement
has an earlier/ crisper response , so many officianados will say .
Either way, the smaller package size of the V is going to curry favour amongst the manufacturers , this makes for a less expensive
vehicle and within a platform range it allows for inclusion of more product enchancing items such as tighter turning circle .

So , hopefully , based on the local VW experience , Ford will see that small 4 cyl is not a sales winner in Oz and the surrounding
countries .
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Have a look at the barra t. Nufsed
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lincolnland wrote:Have a look at the barra t. Nufsed
8-)
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A V6 engine can be used in many sized vehicles from passenger cars to utes to vans to whatever. Inline 6 would be limited in that regard and in today's manufacturing world that is it's biggest drawback.
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Just to show my preference for inline 6. I have a car with an inline 6 mounted transverse between the front wheels 8-) . I guess it only comes down to will of the manufacturer. Cheers Butch.
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That is true Butch, if they think it will sell they will make it happen!! I'm not sure the average motorist will see any tangible benefit of having and inline motor compared to a V6 though...
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jstanovic wrote:Inline 6 would be limited in that regard
This is what I wonder too.

How well does an inline 6 fit into the Ranger engine bay? I'm sure it can be wedged in, but part of the appeal of the current engine configurations Ford use (straight 4,5) is that they are more compact and presumably less cylinders make for cheaper manufacturing costs too.

Once invested in a forced-air 4 cylinder - as Ford have done - with the concomitant fuel savings (at least on regulated tests) - it must be a hard sell to the bean-counters to move back to a more expensive, larger engine with fewer applications that will struggle against the competitors fuel ratings. On that front, a v6 must be the most expensive engine option possible!

The other problem is that the global market is moving further away from "truck with purpose" towards "truck with bling" than it ever has. Many of us on this forum are merely statistical outliers on the marketing spectrum - much as we might wish otherwise.
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MarkDRanger wrote: The other problem is that the global market is moving further away from "truck with purpose" towards "truck with bling" than it ever has. Many of us on this forum are merely statistical outliers on the marketing spectrum - much as we might wish otherwise.
And that there is another great reason to move to something like the Ram 2500 with the inline six. It is a truck with "Purpose" and "bling". Plus better than 3.5 ton tow capacity. with 1350 nm torque 300 kw power. Those sorta numbers make the VW and landcruser look a bit inadequate.
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lincolnland wrote:Have a look at the barra t. Nufsed
I have had no experience with the petrol six at all ,so , 'scuse my ignorance here ; what is with the barra six ?
only petrol engines I've been into are Honda B series 4s and Chev v8 and that does not apply here .
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butch. wrote: And that there is another great reason to move to something like the Ram 2500 with the inline six. It is a truck with "Purpose" and "bling". Plus better than 3.5 ton tow capacity. with 1350 nm torque 300 kw power. Those sorta numbers make the VW and landcruser look a bit inadequate.
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Where I live the locals go out of their way to bang doors against these full size utes , I have to be very careful where I leave the Ranger !
I should add that , the is no way much any shopping centre in Oz is going to make extra wide parking spaces for American utes .
Add to that the starting prices would likely be way over $100 k and , you can see that your idea of adopting these is in itself an outlier .
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Excouncil wrote:the is no way much any shopping centre in Oz is going to make extra wide parking spaces for American utes
To be fair to butch, I think the whole point of a "truck with purpose" is that it is rarely if ever parked in a shopping centre car park. That's where you're more likely to park a "truck with bling".
Excouncil wrote:the locals go out of their way to bang doors
Once you get out of the major cities with their teensie weensie streets, a bigger vehicle like a Ram 2500 really is not a problem. I've driven a Ford F350 with a truck camper many 1,000s of km and I never felt that it was oversized once you leave the big smoke. And I never felt that some obnoxious a-hole was intent on banging my doors. Maybe that's a city affliction?
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To be fair to butch, I think the whole point of a "truck with purpose" is that it is rarely if ever parked in a shopping centre car park. That's where you're more likely to park a "truck with bling".
Yep you know what I mean 8-)
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Interesting to note that a couple of ute comparisons that I've read that had most of the manufacturers represented , the V6's were in the upper end or the middle of the pack
for actual real world economy while on test compared to the smaller engines including the twin turbo jobs.
Yes an inline six is great and I have one but the V6 is a dam good bit of gear .
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MarkDRanger ,
utes like that are not marketed toward only you ,
It is the likes of me that are the target , city slickers dreaming of having the biggest , toughest ……..on the block, etcetera .
So , the guys like me buy these things and all of a sudden there's trouble at the shops and , do I need to spell it out to you ?
Far better we be not allowed to have access to them as a mainstream product , if at all.
I would love to have a long wheelbase F150 , but , even though I could easily afford one ; I would not go near it for the above problem .
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Simon wrote:Interesting to note that a couple of ute comparisons that I've read that had most of the manufacturers represented , the V6's were in the upper end or the middle of the pack
for actual real world economy while on test compared to the smaller engines including the twin turbo jobs.
Yes an inline six is great and I have one but the V6 is a dam good bit of gear .
Yes , the vee motor is light and easy to package into something that is to have or already carries a four banger .
The advantages of the inline motor are not great enough now , to sway the current thinking of the marketing departments .
It is only when people who have not experienced one , are given time to see/feel their advantages , that they want them .
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Given the inline 6 talk - Looks like Hyundai is putting an inline 6 into their new ute.
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I would be open to owning a Kia or Hyundai ute .
If the quality and warranty of their current offerings is anything to go by , then ; welcome them in , I say .
I state the above much along the lines that the new Ford ( and Toyota ) offerings will be freakin expensive things .
So , as I approach the end of my relationship with my PX1 , I may well have to consider where my brand loyalty really lays .
While I'm at it I want Isuzu to seriously consider updating ( make it a truly comparable as opposed to 'just another' ute ) the D Max .
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Excouncil wrote:I would be open to owning a Kia or Hyundai ute .
If the quality and warranty of their current offerings is anything to go by , then ; welcome them in , I say .
I state the above much along the lines that the new Ford ( and Toyota ) offerings will be freakin expensive things .
So , as I approach the end of my relationship with my PX1 , I may well have to consider where my brand loyalty really lays .
While I'm at it I want Isuzu to seriously consider updating ( make it a truly comparable as opposed to 'just another' ute ) the D Max .
I'd certainly be interested in what Hyundai offers in a 4wd vehicle! more competition the better in my opinion.
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It looks like the next engine for the Ranger could be the V6 from the Amarok, just saying :D

Ford and Volkswagen to team up to build next Ranger and Amarok utes, Ford and Volkswagen expect the dual-cab ute to hit the market by 2022

https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... 8d9028e135
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Why would Ford use the VW diesel when they have their own 3.0 V6 as used in the F150 with very similar outputs? Especially since Ford are taking the lead in the development of this vehicle. It would be more likely that VW will take the Ford engine like Mazda did with the BT50.
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The Amarok V6 is currently the most powerful engine on the ute (mid sized) market, maybe Ford will consider the VW engine because they know German Engineering leads the market! The F150 is a much bigger car I thought they were powered by a Cummins engine, anyway the US mostly specializes in Petrol engines, time will tell, lets leave it at that as I am not after an argument, everybody has their own opinion at this stage and I respect yours but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you ☺
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Highrider wrote:The Amarok V6 is currently the most powerful engine on the ute (mid sized) market, maybe Ford will consider the VW engine because they know German Engineering leads the market! The F150 is a much bigger car I thought they were powered by a Cummins engine, anyway the US mostly specializes in Petrol engines, time will tell, lets leave it at that as I am not after an argument, everybody has their own opinion at this stage and I respect yours but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you ☺
F150 is not powered by Cummins. As stated they have a petrol range and a 3.0 single turbo V6 diesel. The F150 is not a big Ute, it was the smaller class now consider mid size since the ranger has been re released in the states. The larger utes like the F250/350 are also petrol and V8 diesel like the smaller utes the diesel variants are commonly known as the Powerstroke family of engines. Some of the heavier classes I.e the F650 cab chassis ranges have been available with the Cummins 6BT but not sure if that is still true in 2020.
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If I'm not mistaken, which is highly likely, Jaguar, Land Rover and Range Rover run a twin turbo version of the 3.0 V6 used in the F150 with outputs up to 225kw and 700Nm. That sounds much tastier than our 3.2 and 2.0.
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