Lift kit + new tyres

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Tom123
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Lift kit + new tyres

Post by Tom123 »

Hi all,

Just looking for some advice towards putting a lift kit and new larger tyres on my 2021 Wildtrak X.

I want to put a 2 inch life and larger tyres on but am not sure what size tyres to be going up to. I am wanting greater clearance and aesthetics but not wanting to anything massive that is going to offset the speedo and reduce torque. Is a 33” reasonable? Looking at the Maxxis razor AT. Currently looking at a formula 2” lift.

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Post by Grant L1 »

If you go to 33" you are going to pay with both fuel consumption and torque. Here is a chart for just going up one profile size from 265/65 17's to 265/70 17's

https://www.tacomaworld.com/tirecalc?ti ... -265-70r17
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My only advice regarding the Formula lift is don't get sucked into adding things you don't need.
They tried to up sell me on UCA's & airbags and all sorts that simply aren't needed on a Ranger for a 2" lift.
No idea of the quality of their gear. I was just put off by the sales team.
I went with Dobinson's as they really knew what they were talking about and the sales team were great.........and the gear seems good as well.

I went with 265/70/17's Maxis AT's on mine, so slightly larger diameter than OE but not jumping up to 33's.
I tow a near 3T caravan so I really didn't want to affect the gearing, and I'm happy wth my choice.
That said I've got a mate that put 33's on and he still tows heavy work trailers with his so perhaps it wouldn't be that bad, particularly if you've got the 10-speeds as it has more ratios to pick from. Not sure what his fuel usage is but his is a work car so he wouldn't care.

I also obviously dropped to 17" rims instead of 18", partly as I prefer the look of the taller sidewall, but also as I wanted the extra sidewall for when going off road. If you're going largely for aesthetics, the larger side wall you get from fitting 17" rims with 32" tyres will go a little way to creating the illusion of larger 33" tyres.
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Thanks for the responses! Just regarding the tyre size, I honestly have no idea where to start. Currently I have 265/60/R18 on and am thinking of going up to 275/65/R18 but have no real idea on the limits of tyre width and diameter. I know I don’t want to go above 32” for the reason stated in the post above but what about width?
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My advice is by all means get a lift kit but stick to the original tyre size, maybe just go for A/T tyres. I put 33s on my old PX XLT and it throws your odometer out plus I reckon I lost as much as 100kms per tank. With the current fuel prices that will really hurt! All for the sake of an extra 1 inch off the ground, is it really worth it?
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In theory the OE 265/60/18 are 30.5". I say in theory as all tyre manufacturers are different.......some are sized true, some are over sized and some are undersized.......for example I'm pretty sure I remember reading a few years that ago that a 35" BFG tyre was actually closer to 34" when you measured it, which Nitto tyres were actually quite true to size. Not sure about Maxxis and I've never measure mine.

My 265/70/17 (or a 265/65/18) are in theory about 31.5" (or about 3% larger than OE).
The 275/65/18 you mentioned will in theory be about 32" (or about 5% larger than OE).

My 265/70/17 bring the speedo to be 100% accurate when measured against a GPS (instead of reading slightly under as all cars do legally), but obviously the odo is now reading 3% under actual km driven.
Between the slight tyre size increase and the more aggressive tread pattern I will have lost some fuel economy, but can still easily get under 10l/100km on a steady run so I'm happy with that (and that's with a 2" lift & bar work which all use more fuel as well).

Going to 275/65/18 you effectively double the impact it will have on speedo/odo/gear ratios etc over what I'm seeing. By the sounds of it that's not what you want, so I'd stick with OE size or 265/65/18 (or the 265/70/17 if you want to get a bit more side wall but have to change rims as well).
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Hey mate,
I have a 2015 pxt with an ali canopy decked out for overland trips, 2' lift with a mix of tough dog shocks up front and dobinsons everything else.
Love the suspension, but I cant compare it to much else.

This is my humble opinion on tyres, bearing in mind I have had a tune to help with towing and get a little more power out of the rig.

As for tyres I had 265/70 R17 (roughly 32'') Mickey Thompson Deagan 38 all terrains. They were great and would recommend that size. for anyone for any use.

I recently went for the same tyre in 285/70 R17 (roughly 33''). Fuel economy has gone up around 0.4l per 100kms. I personally don't see too much drama as far as fuel consumption goes with that increase. I did notice a bit of difference going downhill in low range, its a bit quicker and has less engine breaking. On the plus side I found it drove heaps better on sand with the larger tyres, which is where i do a lot of my 4wding.

I asked Ford to correct the speedo to the tyre size and speedo is bang on the gps speed.

I love the big tyres for the look, the clearance and most of all the sand driving. But bear in mind your states requirements for lift and tyre size legalities.
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Hey mate,
I have currently a 2 inch lift with dobbinson adjustable coil overs in the front with kings progress coils happy and parabolic leaf in the rear that i really enjoy driving.
The ride still has a factory feel on the road (still firm in corners) a takes the rough roads in its stride.
I will only say one thing and that is i wish I went a adjustable rear shock at my loaded weight is for ever changing and when I'm fully loaded towing close to 3 t and tub is full i find that it can be bumpy as the shock has to do alot more work with the parabolic rear spring as they have less friction in the up and down travel than a conventional leafs spring.
Tyres I have run both 275/65/18 and now 2856518 on the factory 18 rims. 275/65/18 definitely don't scub anywhere as I did a trip to Fraser Island and through vic high country not one issue. now I have a 2 ich lift and 285/65/18 the only time it will scrub is on full lock and rubs the sway bar but I'm pretty sure if I added more caster it would push it far enough forward to miss , I just have not got around to it. Kinda shows that it is not a real issue.
hope this info can help.
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Have a 2" lift and have 285/70/17R, caster was adjusted by 3mm and have a summit bull bar and no issues with fuel performance or tyre scrub
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its varies from model to model, and some people report quite a few noticable difference.

PX1 2" lift initially, camber was atrocious even after alignment, had to get UCA's. Got 285/70 R17, all green no alignment was needed. Some people report 285s rub on sway bar, i got a P20 offset, no rubbing when full clocked.

shooting myself in the foot here, free flow exhaust and big wheel do not help economy but I do enjoy that slight comfort and power.
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Can anyone steer me in the right direction.I have a 2021 WildtrakX & was wondering how wide I can go on some all terrains, haven’t decided on tyres. without the lift due to warranty.
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Hey mate, I ended up going one size up to 265/65/18 and had no issues without a lift. I have since gotten a lift but for the few weeks I had them before the lift there was no issue. Also a lift will not have any affect on your warranty just as an fyi.

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The Wildtrak X come with wider offset wheel than standard (P35 instead of P55). OE tyres are still 265/60/18.

265/65/18 will fit no problem as they are the same width, just fractionally taller.
285/60/18 or 285/65/18 will also fit without a problem. Some report scrubbing on the sway bar with 285 tyres on standard Ranger rims but the wider rims on the X will prevent that. The 285 wide tyres will also still be under the flare extensions that are fitted on the X so no issues with tyres sticking out.

With the 265/65/18 or 285/60/18 you should find your speedo is likely spot on, but your odometer will be 3% out.
With the 285/65/18 your speedo will read under you actual speed, and your odometer will be 10% out.

I dare say you can also fit 305mm wide tyres without major scrubbing and still keeping them under the guards, but I've not seen anyone running them personally.
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Hey mate, also have the Ranger-X variant, tyre shop said 285/65/18 were all good.
It depends if your trying to stay with the factory CSA rims or not. Did a lot of research prior and responses were quite correct as the tyres will scrub depending on the rim offset - tyre shops generally just want to sell rim and tyre packages - their not all that interested in resolving scrubbing issues that's the customer's problem - don't hard lock the tyres was one comment I have heard which isn't the answer in a tight turning circle situation.
I decided to change to 18x9" rims to stay within recommended tyre size specs.
You can confidently put 285/60/18 on the vehicle just look into the correct rim offset @ 25 mm. Ranger has a lot more room than a Hilux under the arch.
Speed change will be deadly accurate within 1 Km and Waze app confirms these readings but the odometer will under-read the distance travelled due to the increased rolling diameter of the tyre effectively reducing the actual distance travelled ever so slightly.
Check this website for tyre comparisons too extremely helpful and accurate too - https://tiresize.com/calculator/
Remember you should change the spare too as running different diameter tyres in an emergency can mess with the transmission.
Last thing you want in a 4x4 if your off road and need to change to the spare to get back onto the bitumen.
I went with ROH Hammer @ 1250 kg loading per wheel with 6 stud @ 139.7 spacing and 25 mm offset with rim @ 18x9" - from memory stock Ranger-X rims were 18x8" being CSA Raptor re-branded to Ford symbols but can't confirm the offset though think it was either a 30 or 35 mm. These fit fine but 65 series will scrub plus the spare will be jammed against the tow-bar cross arm under the tyre well storage area.
Decide what rims you like but the 285 series tyres look good and put a lot of tread on the road with the factory flares fitted in 60 series for Ranger-X.
As for the actual tyres I went with Falken's 118S series - Wildpeak # AT3W all terrain (*RBT) series having fitted them to several vehicles, their quiet on the bitumen, stay glued to the road in all weather conditions and are snow rated.
Some responses like and also dislike these tyres with weight to Goodrich # K02 series but many comments support these are slippery in wet conditions.
From what I have researched the older series Falken's didn't get good reviews but the current series I can attest to are fantastic in all weather plus very durable tyre. I am sure others will comment further on the topic.
Also have a look at the topic raised in "Tyre Comparison & Spare" 6 months ago under the board index Rims & Tyres there were a number of helpful responses.
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Hi all, Regarding Tom123 original post - just adding one point though haven't had a chance to read all the responses as yet. In regards to the lift option after warranty just remember if you want a legal lift @ 2" - 50 mm then take into account 285/60/18 will already lift you around 13 mm off original specs of 265/60/18.
Many owners forget that but the problem occurs if you then do a 2" lift and accident investigators get involved worse case scenario without an engineering certificate.
Yes I know many don't bother as what's the big deal - 13 mm over 50 mm = 63 mm well simply put that will leave you high and dry with no insurance for both you or any other cross claims associated with an accident should the insurer decide to dig their heels into the respective claim - just worth mentioning the point.
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I could be wrong (probably am) but isn't the ride height able to be increased by 75mm - 50 suspension and 25 tyres/wheels?
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dakiwalt wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:21 pm I could be wrong (probably am) but isn't the ride height able to be increased by 75mm - 50 suspension and 25 tyres/wheels?
I believe that's state dependent. That's definitely the case in QLD as I was just looking up the rules yesterday!
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